Buzz Out Loud 889: Introducing the Palm Pepporoni Video

Buzz Out Loud 889: Introducing the Palm Pepporoni Video Transcript

>> It's Saturday, January 10th, 2009.

>> Molly Wood: I'm Molly Wood.

>> Tom Merritt: I'm Tom Merritt.

>> Natali Del Conte: I'm Natali Del Conte.

>> I'm Jason Howl [assumed spelling].

>> Molly Wood: Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length: Episode 889. Dang it feels weird to hear you say "Saturday."

>> I know.

>> Molly Wood: [Laughter]

>> It's doesn't roll off the tongue. I actually thought I was going to mess that one up.

>> Molly Wood: It's our special Saturday episode to make up for the fact that we're not coming to work in Monday.

>> That's right.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, we will not be doing a show on Monday but we will be back in San Francisco with regular shows on Tuesday so you can start calling as soon as you're done listening to the show.

>> Molly Wood: Pretty much.

>> Tom Merritt: And not before.

>> And I think there's still room in the voice mailbox.

>> Molly Wood: You guys are so well behaved. [ Inaudible group conversation ]

>> Tom Merritt: But yeah.

>> Molly Wood: It's amazing. It's only taken us 4 years.

>> And we have celebrities in the audience, no?

>> Natali Del Conte: We do have a celebrity in the audience. Let's shout out to my mother.

>> Molly Wood: Natali's mama.

>> Natali Del Conte: Her name's Delonda. Hello. [ Applause ]

>> Thatimo Kidd [assumed spelling], and John Strickland.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah and in the front row Charlie we've got Thatimo Kidd, Nick Netter [assumed spelling], John Strickland, Ralph's back there behind them.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Charlie's like "Who?"

>> Tom Merritt: How did I get them?

>> Natali Del Conte: It is a star studded day.

>> Molly Wood: Superstars in the audience today.

>> Tom Merritt: And our apologies to the audio people who can't see this but...

>> Molly Wood: Yes.

>> Tom Merritt: Natali's mom looks lovely as does Thatimo Kidd and Nick Netter and so on. [ Laughter ]

>> Molly Wood: Everybody's gorgeous.

>> Tom Merritt: And John too. I didn't mean to leave you and Ralph out.

>> Molly Wood: So it's our last episode from CES.

>> Natali Del Conte: That's true. We've made it.

>> Molly Wood: We made it.

>> Natali Del Conte: I need an "I survived" T-shirt. I think we all do.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah.

>> You need a CES chaser.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yes I do.

>> Molly Wood: Your not getting it from the [inaudible].

>> Tom Merritt: Our reviews Editors have been coming the show floor all whatever million square feet of it and have put together a list of what 30...

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: ...that are nominees for the Best of CES. Now depending on when you listen to this show, you may be able to go to CES.CNET.com and find out the winners of all 10 categories plus Best of Show and People's Voice. But right now, we're recording this just at 20 -- and hour and 20 minutes before they announce it.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: So we don't know who's going to win yet.

>> Molly Wood: I know, we're still in like prediction mode. Some of the high profile nominees obviously include the Palm Pre and the LG Watch: Ford Sync Version3 is nominated in the car category. It's going to be a smackdown I think in the cell phone and smart phone thing...

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: ...because the Palm Pre up against the LG Watchphone.

>> Tom Merritt: Well you've got the Nvidia G-Force Vision and those Psycho headphones, you know dark horses in the race.

>> Good name.

>> Molly Wood: The Sony [inaudible] is a nominee.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, yeah that P-Series...

>> Natali Del Conte: The Nowbook?

>> Molly Wood: I think they should call it the P-Series Lifestyle PC. Well because they said like don't call it a Netbook because it's 900 dollars.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah I know but I think we should call it something instead of just its proper name because there's going to be more competition inevitably later this year.

>> Tom Merritt: How about Puny Laptop?

>> Natali Del Conte: Puny? That works.

>> Tom Merritt: That's what the P stands for.

>> Molly Wood: How about Giant Smart Phone?

>> Giant smart phone [laughter].

>> Molly Wood: I'm going back to UMPC. Like I know that the [inaudible] mobile PC name is kind of [inaudible].

>> Yeah, exactly. Fine, you don't want to be a Netbook?

>> Molly Wood: Well fine, you don't want to be a Netbook, you don't want to be a smart phone, you don't want to be an internet tablet: UMPC. Take that.

>> Natali Del Conte: So we also liked this networked Garmin as -- or I'm sorry, Tom Tom as well with internet capabilities.

>> Tom Merritt: The one that tells you the best route based on time of day, right?

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah, I like that with the historical route. It's kind of cool.

>> Tom Merritt: Actually, I liked all the GPS. I think that's a tight race for Best of GPS because those other 2 -- the Garmin tells you how much it costs to get somewhere based on fuel economy and gas mileage, and the other one is the Dual which has the HD traffic information so it actually has a better source of traffic data plus you get HD radio [inaudible].

>> Molly Wood: Well and then Tom Tom's making another run at the connected GPS device thing, that territory that Dash basically gave up by saying "Okay, we're not going to make devices." I mean people have really tried hard to do that connected GPS thing.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: Dash had so much potential. If Tom Tom can get it right...

>> Natali Del Conte: Right.

>> Molly Wood: I think this is going to be great device.

>> Tom Merritt: Anyway, for those watching this live of here at the show, at 11 am Pacific we will be doing the Best of CES awards announcement right here at the CNET stage. So if you're here in person, come back to the CNET stage at that point or online CNETTV.com. We'll be streaming it.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Natali Del Conte: Right. And another trend is also networks, TV's and Blu-ray players. I mean if you're a Blu-ray player and you're not networked, just go home.

>> Molly Wood: I know, what is even the point?

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah right.

>> Natali Del Conte: No point.

>> Molly Wood: And if you're not wall mountable for whatever reason.

>> Reason. [ Laughter ]

>> Natali Del Conte: I know you love the wall mountable but...

>> Molly Wood: It's just the wires. There is a little trouble in paradise at CES today. Windows 7 has already hit its first snag: a delay in the Windows 7 Beta rollout, but it's not a programming problem. Like it has nothing to do with the code.

>> Tom Merritt: No.

>> Molly Wood: It's totally ready.

>> Tom Merritt: You go to download it and you get "Thanks for your interest in Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal. We're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand." We're freaking Microsoft and we're having to add more servers to handle the demand.

>> Molly Wood: We had no idea.

>> Tom Merritt: They didn't write we're freaking Microsoft though.

>> Natali Del Conte: Right did they not get the memo that Vista was unpopular and that people would jump on the next version?

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, well and did they not get the memo that they have 90 percent market share? Like people get fired up about Windows: a whole lot of them. Like it's absolutely hilarious to me that basically what happened is they announced the Windows 7 Beta and everything just hit the deck.

>> Tom Merritt: I think they got taken...

>> Molly Wood: Total collapse.

>> Tom Merritt: They totally got taken in by the switch ads. They're like "Oh we're not popular anymore. No one's going to want to download that."

>> Molly Wood: It's like this sad little Microsoft like inferiority complex. "Oh no one's really going to care about Window..."

>> Natali Del Conte: The bad stuff's easier to believe so...

>> So it's a day later and it's still not available.

>> Molly Wood: No.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, apparently...

>> I mean you can get it through other methods. It seems like there's...

>> Natali Del Conte: The site is working but the download is not.

>> Tom Merritt: Lifehacker.com had a few secret ways to get it. I think it's already out on the Torrents probably.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: And Download.com here at CNET is going to post it as soon as they can get a hold of a copy as well.

>> Molly Wood: Oh really?

>> Tom Merritt: So everybody's pitching in to try to help.

>> We all want Microsoft to succeed.

>> Natali Del Conte: We'll share our servers.

>> Molly Wood: Distributed distribution. [ Laughter ]

>> Distribution.

>> Yes.

>> Natali Del Conte: That's so sad.

>> Tom Merritt: There was a rumor going around yesterday that caught our eye about whether Apple would be coming to CES next year because they've pulled out of MacWorld. Cult of Mac was reporting sources with friends at Apple - so this is you know my cousin knows a guy sort of thing - that Apple would go large at CES 2010. Called it a done deal. Said they're really more of a consumer electronics company. That's how they're trying to position themselves so they were thinking it would make sense for Apple to be at CES. Now everything we've ever heard from Apple kind of opposes that. They say "We don't really need trade shows anymore."

>> Molly Wood: Right.

>> Tom Merritt: "We've pulled out of NAB. We're pulling out of MacWorld. We want to control our information. We can just have an event and have people show up for the announcement."

>> Molly Wood: Tom Krazit really poo-pooed this in News.com but then posted an update "Well now Apple Insider is also reporting it." So maybe there is something going on there.

>> Maybe there's something there.

>> Molly Wood: I think this may -- well I don't know that necessarily they would be a gigantic presence with a huge keynote and everything, but if they have pulled out of MacWorld, there's really no reason for them not to have at least...

>> Natali Del Conte: A booth.

>> Some sort of presence.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah I see a couple ways they could go with this and I think they have to have a booth at CES because the only reason they didn't have a presence at all was because they had MacWorld.

>> Molly Wood: And it competed.

>> Tom Merritt: Right around the same time.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, exactly.

>> Tom Merritt: So at least you know at least a presence of some sort just showing the wares and trying to make deals with the retailers and everything makes sense.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: Whether they go large and try to get Steve Jobs or Phil Schiller keynote to compete with the Steve Balmer keynote...

>> Molly Wood: Right.

>> Tom Merritt: ,...that's another story.

>> Molly Wood: Well they might still do that. I could see them doing that actually. What I think they probably wouldn't do is they would see CES as the opportunity that a lot of companies see it as: not necessarily a place to have to announce products. I think they do still want to get away from that January timeframe and you know having to release products, but there's no reason for them not to be here and/or do a keynote with just - I don't know - updates.

>> Natali Del Conte: Just a trend piece keynote even would be nice coming from them. They don't always have to have an iPhone.

>> Tom Merritt: Right, yeah.

>> Molly Wood: Plus don't you think they feel -- don't you think sometimes they're kind of like "That'd be cool. Everybody's having all the fun at CES."

>> Tom Merritt: Especially when they overlap like they did this year.

>> Natali Del Conte: We are having a lot of fun.

>> Molly Wood: Especially when they overlap, yeah. I feel like there's all these little sad twitters like "I don't know, I'm at CES but I want to be at MacWorld" and then "I'm at MacWorld but I want to be at CES."

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: Let's just all get along.

>> Natali Del Conte: Are we sad that we missed the Crunchies at all?

>> Tom Merritt: Oh yeah that's right. Apparently Michael Errington [assumed spelling] missed the Crunchies. I read something that he didn't even show up.

>> Molly Wood: What is a Crunchie?

>> Natali Del Conte: The Tech Crunch Awards: best awards of whatever.

>> Molly Wood: I guess I should have realized it was Tech Crunch related.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah. So you're not missing that basically. Your answer is no.

>> Molly Wood: No. Is it a party?

>> Natali Del Conte: It's an awards show.

>> Molly Wood: Oh.

>> You didn't know you were missing it until now.

>> Molly Wood: I guess I wasn't up for that. [Laughter] When I'm up for one, then I'll go.

>> Natali Del Conte: Apparently Facebook won: second year in a row, "Best Web Application."

>> Molly Wood: Shocking.

>> Tom Merritt: Congratulations to Facebook. Maybe Chrome will win an award one of these days? They're getting a Mac...

>> Molly Wood: Chrome has won my heart.

>> Tom Merritt: They're getting a Mac deadline. Now I know you use Viv on the go here but you've got a MacBook Pro back at the office.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, but I run Windows on it.

>> Tom Merritt: Exactly, and one of the reasons is because Chrome right?

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, well yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: I mean you could run OS 10 more often if you had the Chrome on there maybe?

>> Molly Wood: Just for Chrome. Actually I will say that one of the biggest problems I have with Mac OS 10 is the browsing experience. Like browsing on a Mac is still ridiculously hard and if Chrome came out for the Mac sometime soon and was really good, I'm not saying I'll switch, but it would at least be bearable when I had to use it.

>> Tom Merritt: We talked about the new beta version of Chrome yesterday and speculated that some of the changes they were making indicated they'd be able to come out with an OS 10 version faster. And in fact on Friday they said they hoped to release not only an OS 10 but a Linux version by the first half of this year.

>> Natali Del Conte: And they're also supposed to support plugins soon.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, some of the programming and scripting changes they've made are sort of paving the way for that. And that would be really cool.

>> Natali Del Conte: Right, which would be great. And because what I love about Chrome - because I don't use a PC all that often, I'm usually Mac except for on this portable little dude that is not mine actually - is that tabs don't compete for bandwidth. So one tab with video doesn't slow down the rest and it's such a big deal because it is a big deal on Firefox all the time.

>> Molly Wood: I know. And I find that Firefox is worse on the Mac. I really do think like regardless of whether I'm going to use it, I think Google really needs to get this out the door. It's a huge barrier to adoption and it's a huge barrier to buzz. Like it's just never a good thing to release a product that everybody's really excited about but exclude a pretty bit segment.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: Or a segment that is as vocal as the Mac and Linux community.

>> Natali Del Conte: It was one of my Festivus grievances of 2008 that there's no Chrome for Mac, so.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, don't make people mad.

>> Natali Del Conte: [Inaudible] for 2009.

>> Molly Wood: Just make people happy.

>> Tom Merritt: How'd you do in the Feats of Strength?

>> Natali Del Conte: I didn't do that. I only wanted to complain about...

>> Tom Merritt: Oh okay.

>> Natali Del Conte: And I only wanted to air the grievances. It was therapeutic. [ Laughter ]

>> Tom Merritt: At CES Nvidia is announcing a graphics card with just 480 cores.

>> Oh is that all?

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, that crank up performance to reach close to just 2 terra flops.

>> Molly Wood: Two terra flops?

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, the GTX 295 graphics card has 2 GPUs with 240 cores each. So it's not even 40 cores on one die. It's like [inaudible]. And they can execute graphics and other computed tasks according to this posting on Slash dot...it's actually 1.788 terra flops so it's not even 2.

>> Molly Wood: That is -- I mean talk about GPUs the new CPU. Nvidia's like "Yeah, ya think? We got the power."

>> Tom Merritt: Nvidia's calling it the fastest single graphics card in the market and probably -- probably is. I'm not as up to graphics cards as say Rich Brown or somebody but...

>> Molly Wood: Right.

>> Tom Merritt: ...I have not heard of one faster myself.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, that's pretty insane. Also Dell in CES product announcements has officially unveiled the Adamo which is a new notebook of some sort. We don't know that much else about it except that they brought a model out to walk around with it ala HP and the [inaudible].

>> Tom Merritt: This is their MacBook Air that there've been lots of rumors about and so they just kind of let people see it in the hands of someone tall and slim.

>> Molly Wood: Right, which made it look tall and slim.

>> Tom Merritt: Which made it look fat.

>> Molly Wood: They also announced the... [ Laughter ]

>> Tom Merritt: You should have had a big tubby guy come out with it and they they're like "Wow that thing really is skinny."

>> Reduce.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, but that's what everyone does at their [inaudible]. They also announced the new Inspiron Mini 10: the 10-inch version of the Netbook which is between the Mini 9 and Mini 12 which actually [inaudible]. I said 9 inch the other day but this is a 10 inch.

>> Natali Del Conte: Is it?

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Are they Battle Star Gallactica fans? Is that why they called it the Adamo?

>> Molly Wood: Adamo yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: They didn't want to get sued but NBC Universal so...

>> Molly Wood: Maybe [inaudible].

>> Natali Del Conte: These you know sort of making your laptops fashionable is a really funny trend. I went to this press conference by Intel in New York and they just had like models walking the runway with existing notebooks and they're like "If you're a 14 year old skater" and they had this guy with baggy pants and a backward hat and he was running around with like an Alienware or something. And then "If you're this person" so it's really becoming like your identity.

>> Yeah completely.

>> Molly Wood: Which makes sense because you see people -- I mean I do a lot of judging. Everybody does. You know you go -- about laptops.

>> Tom Merritt: Let me tell you exactly how much judging you do.

>> Natali Del Conte: I got in trouble for saying that the EPC was not masculine, remember?

>> Molly Wood: Totally. But you see people out in the coffee shop or on the plane and you're totally like "MacBook Dude." Oh MacBook Air.

>> Tom Merritt: But you say it out loud when I'm sitting right next to you that it really gets annoying.

>> Molly Wood: But now I have one so you can say it right back.

>> Tom Merritt: That's true, except you've got Viv now.

>> Molly Wood: Well you can be all like "Hello girly computer." You know like you can really -- it's a personality thing.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: It's the new bumper sticker.

>> Tom Merritt: The Palm Pre we've talked about several times now on Buzz Out Loud so everybody knows it's the new smart phone with the Web OS from Palm and everyone's hailing it as the salvation of Palm.

>> Molly Wood: Right.

>> Tom Merritt: But one thing we haven't talked about is the way it charges. The Palm Pre Touchstone. You got a chance to look at this, right?

>> Molly Wood: I did yeah. I actually got to play with the Palm Pre and the Touchstone for a CNN.com thing which might be up now. So the Touchstone to me is one of the coolest accessories for it. It's a conductive charger so it's a wireless charger and it's very small: like it looks bigger in the pictures but it's really only...

>> It's like the size of a puck: like a hockey puck.

>> Molly Wood: No, it's way smaller than a hockey puck.

>> Smaller than that?

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, I mean it's like the base of like a small latte.

>> Oh I see.

>> Molly Wood: From Starbucks.

>> Tom Merritt: It's a little smaller than a puck.

>> Molly Wood: I'm going with my props in trying to explain this for the people who are getting audio only. It's pretty small.

>> Natali Del Conte: It's like a pepperoni.

>> Molly Wood: It comes with a magnetic...

>> That's what they should call it: the Palm Pepperoni.

>> Molly Wood: It's more like a Canadian bacon: like a slice of Canadian bacon.

>> Natali Del Conte: I'm trying to [inaudible] so every knows me on the audio can [inaudible]. [ Laughter ]

>> Molly Wood: Pepperoni is too little.

>> Tom Merritt: But it's thicker than pepperoni or Canadian bacon so it's a stack of them.

>> Molly Wood: Right. Like I ...

>> Tom Merritt: Anyway, it's also got technology in it.

>> Natali Del Conte: It's like pancetta really.

>> [Inaudible] its deliciousness.

>> Molly Wood: Now this actually seemed a little dangerous to me. It has a magnet underneath and it comes with a magnetic attachment that you stick on the back of the Pre which I always want to call the Prio. And then you just kind of -- you just set it there and it sort of [inaudible] but then it just kind of hangs out there. So really like it doesn't seem like it would be so much more convenient than cable but it really is because you just kind of [inaudible] and the magnet. Make sure it's in the right place and then when you're ready to go like [inaudible] and you're up and out.

>> Natali Del Conte: Is it the same magnetic induction as the PowerPad that we did the First Look on yesterday because that thing is the same thing. You just -- you put an adapter on the back of any portable device...

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Natali Del Conte: ..and then it will charge it over [inaudible].

>> Molly Wood: I think it is and that made me wonder if you could use it with other things.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah, hopefully it's standard, but the PowerPad I was told is this sort of part magnetic induction and then part other proprietary technology that they were super secret about. So I tried to wrestle it out of him but it didn't work.

>> Tom Merritt: But you didn't have to have special batteries for it?

>> Natali Del Conte: You don't. No you have to have an adapter on your existing battery so -- but if that's standard that would be wonderful.

>> Molly Wood: Oh yeah then I don't know because -- it would be great if it was standard. I have a feeling it's not but maybe.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: Another cool thing that Kent German ran across you can find at the blog at CES.CNET.com is Crystal Talk technology that's in the Motorola phones and you know they always come up with these crazy names. Oh it's Crystal Talk and so it's going to make it sound really clear and you won't have as many people wondering -- you know making you raise your voice on the phone.

>> Molly Wood: Blah, blah, blah.

>> Tom Merritt: It's so impossible to believe people when they tell you this so Motorola very smartly created these booths -- or Crystal Talk created these booths that blast you with noise: even more noise than there is on the convention floor already. You go into this booth and you can not hear yourself think according to Kent. But he made a call to somebody standing outside and was able to hear them just fine.

>> Molly Wood: That's cool. That is really smart.

>> Natali Del Conte: Is this the noise canceling -- no that's out not in.

>> Molly Wood: Well this is similar -- this is similar to the LG thing that they announced and they called it something fancy too where they're adding a second microphone to attempt to improve the overall audio experience.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, there's noise canceling isolation involved.

>> Molly Wood: And it -- yeah. I want to go to that booth.

>> Tom Merritt: I know.

>> Natali Del Conte: I don't actually. It sounds painful.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, it sounds like it hurts your ears.

>> Molly Wood: Well yeah, it does sound kind of terrible.

>> Natali Del Conte: I'll take Kent's word for it.

>> Molly Wood: I'm boycotting walking today so I can't go check it out. [ Laughter ]

>>Natali Del Conte: I'll piggyback you over there. How about that?

>> Molly Wood: Thanks.

>> Tom Merritt: Alright, get a camera. IoSafe also taking their solo external hard drive and demonstrating it to an extreme.

>> Molly Wood: Ah yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: This is a tough hard drive. They say it can survive fire. It can survive water. So to prove it yesterday, they took CNET's [inaudible] out and threw him -- no they threw the drive... [ Laughter ]

>> Natali Del Conte: Then they set him on fire.

>> They tried. Try as they might.

>> Tom Merritt: He didn't survive.

>> Natali Del Conte: That's why he doesn't have any hair.

>> Tom Merritt: No, they threw it in water and let it sit for awhile. Sort of impressive but then they put it in a firebox and lit it on fire and held a temperature gauge to prove that this wasn't some effect with you know cold fire or that -- it was a thousand 600 degrees.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, 1 thousand 6 hundred degrees.

>> Tom Merritt: And then they pull it out, hose it down to cool it off, crack open the case and that's when [inaudible] got to see that it really does isolate the hard drive really well because there's a grill on the back where there's you know an air cooling for the hard drive and you think "Well how is it going to keep any water out with that?" But it is surrounded by this waterproof, fire retardant foam. They pulled the hard drive out, put it in a case, plugged it in and all the photos they had put on before the demonstration, were still there readily available.

>> Molly Wood: That is awesome.

>> Natali Del Conte: That's crazy. I wonder if that's the same technology they use in black boxes in the cockpits.

>> Molly Wood: Oh I wonder?

>> Yeah.

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah, that's a good question.

>> Molly Wood: I think I need that technology here at CES too because a CNET contributor who will remain unnamed spilled some Pepsi on Viv...

>> Natali Del Conte: Oh did they get slapped in the face for that?

>> Molly Wood: ...in the back room earlier. I was totally like "Are you kidding me!" I come back and Viv is sitting there in a puddle of Pepsi.

>> Crying.

>> Molly Wood: Crying like how'd you do this?

>> Tom Merritt: It was nobody at this desk let's just [inaudible].

>> Natali Del Conte: I don't drink Pepsi.

>> Molly Wood: But I'm just saying they should put that in Netbooks: the pretty ones.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: I mean the technology.

>> Tom Merritt: Next time we see you, you're going to have your [inaudible] like in this big Styrofoam case.

>> It's going to be a bubble.

>> Molly Wood: It's really not as light as it used to be or portable.

>> Tom Merritt: And it's not as pretty either. [ Laugher ]

>> Natali Del Conte: Can you duplicate that on some kind of protective device just the decoration?

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, yeah, yeah there you go.

>> Tom Merritt: So when you're out on the web downloading your Torrents as some of you might do...

>> Natali Del Conte: Who does that?

>> Tom Merritt: I'm not looking at anyone in the audience [inaudible]. Be careful though because if you're looking for serial key generators - which you should be because that really is cracking and against the law - there is a Trojan out there that will download and infect your machine when you think you're downloading the serial cracker and then it just to annoy you, plays a sound file that keeps saying "Downloading is wrong." [ Laughter ]

>> Natali Del Conte: That would work at annoying me.

>> Tom Merritt: The only problem I have with this is downloading is not wrong.

>> Yeah, there's nothing wrong with downloading.

>> Tom Merritt: Pirating software's wrong but downloading isn't wrong.

>> Molly Wood: It just says "Downloading is wrong."

>> Tom Merritt: Yeah.

>> Molly Wood: Downloading is wrong. See it's so close. I don't know though, I kind of like it. I think it's hilarious.

>> Tom Merritt: I thought you would actually.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah, we better wrap. We better get going.

>> Tom Merritt: Alright, Air Force Rules of Engagement for Blogging are up. You can find that in our show notes at BOL.CNET.com: follow the flow chart. It's pretty hilarious and let's run through the emails real quick.

>> Molly Wood: Chris from Florida writes in "I was listening to Episode 888 wondering why everyone's drooling over the Palm Pre. Didn't we do the same thing when the BlackBerry Storm was announced?" Yeah, that's kind of what we do. "We gave it so much praise until the time came for release. It was a failure. Are we certain this will be Palm's savior or will the hype rise above what will really happen? And will the Pre truly be the device that brings Palm back or will it be lost and forgotten just as the Storm was?" I don't think that's all true about the Storm.

>> Natali Del Conte: We hadn't even touched it before. Here we've all got to get our hands on it.

>> Molly Wood: Yeah.

>> Natali Del Conte: We're a little bit more excited.

>> Tom Merritt: There was a lot of hype about the Storm.

>> Molly Wood: There was a lot of hype about the Storm which it probably didn't live up to.

>> Tom Merritt: But we hadn't seen it.

>> Molly Wood: I did hear yesterday though, there is a only slightly credible rumor going around -- now that they're going to price it at 399.

>> Tom Merritt: The Pre?

>> Natali Del Conte: Really?

>> Molly Wood: And if that is true then that is indeed the way that Palm will blow it.

>> Tom Merritt: That could be one of the ways.

>> Natali Del Conte: Yeah, that's too much.

>> Tom Merritt: Also, they're not really letting anyone handle it which makes me think they might now have it as ready as...

>> Molly Wood: Oh no I -- well I couldn't show any of it in the interview but I got to do all the little stuff and play with it.

>> Tom Merritt: And it worked? It wasn't lagging or anything?

>> Natali Del Conte: You couldn't navigate it on air. They won't let you show...

>> Molly Wood: You can't navigate it on air. But they'll give you a full demo.

>> Natali Del Conte: ...the navigation and the interface but you can play with it. I thought it was nice.

>> Tom Merritt: Why don't they want you to navigate it on air?

>> Molly Wood: I think it's nice but some of the stuff is a little like too flashy.

>> Tom Merritt: Now in other Storm news, Jason T wrote out and said "Hey BOL team, just wanted to pop in and let you guys know that Orange Julius has a brand spanking new drink called the BlackBerry Storm." And he sent us a picture that we'll link to in the show notes. It has nutrition facts you know. "I wonder which is slower: trying to use the BlackBerry Storms accelerometer feature or trying to get the drink through a straw? Ha ha, keep up the good work."

>> Natali Del Conte: Sounds delicious. Okay, Peter on the train in Chicago says "Listening to Episode 886, you guys were talking about the Sling Player app for the iPhone and whether Apple might accept it into the App store because it will stream video over 3G. I recently started using Orb Live from the App Store. This app works with the Orb Client on your PC with TV tuner at home and you can then stream your TV and any other media to the iPhone app. Works well. Video quality is good enough over 3G so there's precedent for it. Hoping I'm not jinxing anything by bringing attention to Orb. Love the show." [ Laughter ]

>> Molly Wood: No, they'll be okay.

>> Tom Merritt: Apple's like "We did what?"

>> Molly Wood: Orb's been around for awhile.

>> [Inaudible] also writes in and says "Wow, it might not take long for Molly's prediction to come true. The Seattle Post Intelligencer according to this story here could go online only."

>> Tom Merritt: It's up for sale.

>> Molly Wood: It's up for sale now and they said that -- the story said if they don't find a buyer within 6 months, they'll go online only. Yeah.

>> So that's within the year.

>> Molly Wood: We're pretty close.

>> Getting closer.

>> Molly Wood: Alright, we are getting chased off the stage.

>> Tom Merritt: Yes we are.

>> Molly Wood: You can find all of our ongoing coverage at CES.CNET.com. You can also watch our live stream of the Best of CES awards which start at 11 am Pacific. That's at CNETTV.come or CES.CNET.com. And of course you can find all the show notes about the stuff we didn't talk about at BOL.CNET.com.

>> Tom Merritt: See you Tuesday folks.

>> Bye.

>> Natali Del Conte: Bye.