Buzz Out Loud 886: That's our title! Video

Buzz Out Loud 886: That's our title! Video Transcript

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>> Today is January 7th 2009.

>> I'm Tom Marek.

>> I'm Natali Del Conte.

>> I'm Fred Song.

>> And I'm Jason [inaudible].

>> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, Tina's pod cast of indeterminate length, episode 886 from Las Vegas, Nevada, at the Consumer Electronics Show 2009.

>> Viva Las Vegas.

>> This is the first time Natali and I have actually been here together.

>> Right.

>> So I want to mark this historic moment.

>> Did everyone ever say we were the same person?

>> Come on.

>> You've never been seen on Buzz Out Loud at the same time.

>> I know.

>> That's right.

>> I turn into Brian [inaudible] after midnight. [ Laughter ]

>> You're always in the morning on east coast time, he's always you know on west coast time.

>> We change places, we change places.

>> It's true. So we are not holograms, we are here in the flesh.

>> Absolutely.

>> In Las Vegas.

>> And BTU just flew in from Mac World.

>> Yes, see you guys got to get here a little bit earlier yesterday, but I got in at 1 am, covered Mac World. Obviously the announcements were pretty lackluster overall.

>> And how was, how was Phil? How was his performance?

>> Well when Phil came out actually he had a really warm reception. And then you realized it was mostly Apple employees clapping from him. They drew it out kind of long and it became this like medium clap like woo, woo and then everybody else in the audience was kind of like ah, I get it, ok.

>> Oh.

>> But he did, I think he did a good job.

>> Yeah.

>> The problem was that the announcements weren't impactful enough to say he did a great job. He did his thing.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, you can do a great job and not have.

>> Yeah.

>> A great job to do, right?

>> Yeah, I mean I do admit his voice, if you watch the, the stream, his voice cracked like five or six times.

>> Oh, can you imagine having to fill those shoes?

>> I don't want to address that on the Apple Bytes.

>> He probably hates Steve Jobs today.

>> He probably.

>> How could you do that to me?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> But the announcements were, in case you haven't already heard them, iWork 09, woo hoo.

>> Yeah.

>> iLife 09, which actually has a couple of cool things in it, Facebook integration, Flicker integration, photo tagging by face.

>> Right.

>> Yeah.

>> Face recognition.

>> Yeah.

>> Faces and places.

>> Location tagging as well in iPhoto so, which is great but I'm interested to see how it's really going to go up against Picasa now that Picasa has a web, or a desktop application for Mac. That's kind of, that's kind of cold.

>> I think most consumers, like the general consumer on the Mac platform does play with iPhoto a good amount.

>> Yeah.

>> It's all built in there, it did look really sexy, so.

>> Nice integration with Flicker. I like that.

>> Yeah, definitely.

>> 17 inch Mac Book Pro.

>> We knew that.

>> With a, a 2799 dollar price tag, so pretty much the same.

>> The big thing though.

>> Comes with a 320 gigabyte standard hard drive or you could downgrade to a 256 solid state drive.

>> The big thing obviously on that one though was the battery.

>> Right.

>> Where it.

>> Not replaceable.

>> Not replaceable, completely internal, so they're talking about how they optimized the use of the space and the used some innovative engineering, but the bottom line is it gets 8 hours off of one charge.

>> They say.

>> They say.

>> Or 7 if you're using the better video card.

>> Yes.

>> Right.

>> And 1000 charge cycles, which would potentially, potentially give it a five year life span and about three times the life of a regular battery. This is potential.

>> Yeah.

>> Now we should say, when we say it's not replaceable.

>> That's great though.

>> It's not user replaceable. They, they said there will be.

>> You can send it in.

>> A program where you can bring it into the Apple Store if you need to get the battery replaced. And I, I think they said something about charging like 179 bucks for that. That's kind of pricey. But what about travel? A lot of people take extra batteries for travel purposes.

>> Right.

>> Because they want to swap the battery in and out. Once one battery dies and they're not around a place where they can charge, they can just put another battery in.

>> You can't do that.

>> For me.

>> No.

>> If it goes 8 hours though, do you really, are you really on your computer for eight hours straight on a plane?

>> If it goes eight hours.

>> Seriously. Seriously.

>> And you're flying to New Zealand.

>> I don't know, maybe you're flying internationally.

>> I would take a nap at least.

>> I don't know, it says speaking of flying with your laptops, we were talking about on Monday, getting on the Wi Fi in Virgin, and so yesterday I flew Virgin America and I got on the Wi Fi. And it was good, it was real reliable and it was like me and John Falcon and Adam Ackerman.

>> Why you got to name drop like that?

>> All of on one plane, all of us and I think we were the only ones using the bandwidth on that flight.

>> Yeah.

>> I think all me and Brian heard was not us, not us, not us. Because we didn't get to fly Virgin.

>> Well because you had, but you also didn't have to fly six hours like I did, so.

>> Yeah, good point.

>> I don't feel sorry for you. But the problem with that is that I'm carrying this Net Book and the battery life is so bad that I paid 12 dollars for two hours of you know Wi Fi so that was kind of a bummer, but.

>> And you had to, you had close down the Net Book?

>> It closed down on me. It was like, it's out.

>> Looks cute, needs more juice.

>> It does look cute though. And it saves my shoulders from running around here with a big honking Mac Book.

>> We'll get some more Net Book news later because that's a big thing at CES. Let's finish up on the Mac World with the biggest news that people are pulling away from it other than the disappointment, disappointing feelings overall is that iTunes is not entirely DRM free or at least will be by the end of February.

>> Right.

>> That is correct. Jason [inaudible] on that one, right?

>> Jason is happy about that?

>> He predicted that like a month ago.

>> But what do you think of this supply and demand model of you know more popular songs are more expensive and then less popular songs are less expensive? I don't know about all that.

>> I, do they, do they outright say that's how they would tier it though or you're.

>> Well it's just DRM free is more expensive, that's the tier right?

>> There's variable pricing which Molly is going to be stoked about. She's been clamoring for that for a while. 69 cents, 99 cents or a dollar 29 and what they suspect is that a dollar 29 will be for the new stuff, the hot stuff, 69 cents will be for back catalog stuffed, trying to sell more.

>> Now I think Brittany Spears stuff is still worth 69 cents.

>> We're talking about what they'll charge not.

>> Oh, sorry.

>> What it might be worth.

>> My bad.

>> Not what it's worth to you. You know you're listening to Brittany, don't pretend.

>> Also you can download tunes over 3G now from the iPhones.

>> Yep.

>> iTunes store.

>> I did that yesterday and what was cool about it was you didn't have to do any software update. It, before it would always tell you, you can't connect because you're not on Wi Fi, the store, the music store on your phone used to only be for Wi Fi, but I just jumped right in and I download like you know the free single of the week. And then, it worked like a charm. So that was kind of cool.

>> Not Ken Ermine said that he got, he ran into a 10 megabyte limit.

>> They do that.

>> Oh did he?

>> They also do that actually they made the pod cast that you could download off of iTunes directly available if there was, if they were larger than 10 megs you also, it would tell you, you have to connect to you know the computer or go.

>> Or Wi Fi.

>> Yeah. So that's consistent with what they've done before.

>> Right.

>> The final thing is the whole thing about the DRM free is that Apple mentioned how they were turning over to DRM free but they didn't fail to mention the details is if you have your current collection and you want to switch it over to DRM free, you have to pay 30 cents per song that you currently own and previously purchased from iTunes to do that.

>> That's bogus.

>> That's yes. I, so I asked my friend, I was curious.

>> I mean that, yeah, that's kind of going along with what's already been which is that DRM is free is kind of seen as like an upgrade.

>> Right.

>> It seemed like more valuable than the DRM, [inaudible] about DRM to begin with right?

>> Right.

>> iTunes Plus tracks originally came out at a buck 30, so I think that's where they get that 30 cents.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> Right. And it's still cheaper than buying them on Amazon, because then you'd have to pay like 89 cents, so.

>> Right.

>> 30 cents is cheaper, but man.

>> Well, well, the Amazon though you buy the track from the start for cheaper.

>> Well I'm just saying if you wanted to upgrade.

>> Oh, ok.

>> Oh, right.

>> You couldn't find it cheaper anywhere else.

>> I just don't like, I mean, me personally, I think it's almost like a music tax that they're putting on the customer.

>> Yeah. Then they're going to charge for upgrading to like a higher definition. Like we've seen this HD radio.

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> Around, have you guys tried that, the HD radio?

>> Oh yeah.

>> I'm not fortunate enough to have an HD radio in my, you know [inaudible].

>> Well, I'm not either, but I saw it last night at CES preview so step off.

>> Well hey, no I'm going to watch that video and learn from you.

>> I think the biggest thing with HD radio is that you get extra channels, so you might get some music that you otherwise wouldn't be able to get.

>> Right.

>> With radio, but honestly I listen to my iPhone most of the time in the car anyway, so.

>> You do?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh.

>> Radio, KCBS in the mornings that's it.

>> Yep.

>> That's the only regular radio I listen it.

>> Go CBS radio.

>> I was doing that before they acquired it. Speaking of DRM free, a good DRM lessons coming out of 9 Inch Nails because apparently according to Amazon, they sold the most MP3s, they were the best selling MP3 album I should say of 2008 at Amazon.com. This was Ghost 1 through 4 which they offered for free. In fact, they went and posted it on the pirate bay. So take it.

>> They offered Ghost 1 for free.

>> Was it just one?

>> It was just the first volume and so it's just a great example of how when you give away something for free, just a little taster, people do go and buy the rest of it. And so, yeah they're making, I mean although we have to make allowances for the fact that they're an established band.

>> True.

>> And they were offering a lot of extras with their for sale thing as well.

>> Right.

>> Like Blu Ray extras, things like that.

>> Blu Ray. Yeah.

>> It wasn't just the music.

>> No, we're talking about the MP3 downloads. You didn't get extras with the MP3 downloads, right?

>> No, that, that.

>> No, but they're saying that they also did well in selling all of the other things that they.

>> Just as a collective whole with all the goodies that came with that stuff.

>> But what, what's most impressive to me is that they gave away an album and still had enough people pay for that album that they could have gotten for free to be the top selling album on the Amazon MP3 charts.

>> I think Dan Ackerman needs to try this.

>> Dan Ackerman?

>> Yeah.

>> Dan Ackerman's band.

>> Oh.

>> You know, you know he could be the number one track on the Amazon Store.

>> Let's try it, let's put him up on the pirate bay and see what happens.

>> Don't even tell him.

>> Ok, ok.

>> One more story before we get to the CES stuff. Apparently this was a record setting revenue year for Hollywood in spite of all the fears of video privacy.

>> Apparently people are going to the movies as Rs Technica Story says that there were box office, box office records in 2008. 9 point 78 billion dollars at the big screen. So, we tend to think this is recession behavior. People are doing things that are cheaper, you go to the movies.

>> Well no actually that's, that's funny you say that because one of the things in the story they point out is they sold fewer tickets than last year, but they raised the prices.

>> Yeah.

>> So, people were actually paying more in fewer numbers.

>> But fewer people were paying more, that, that is interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> And I could.

>> Because going to the movies is expensive.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Tell me about it. You take a girl out, it's like easily 30 bucks when you buy a little hotdog and a drink. It's not cheap.

>> 30 bucks?

>> You've got to bring your own food and you have to, you have to smuggle your date in.

>> I would never do that.

>> Take your date in a bag so that they have to buy a ticket. Free?

>> There you go.

>> I don't, I don't date small people.

>> That's why you don't have a girlfriend.

>> I don't date small people like that.

>> So that's interesting. Did you guys see any movies over the, over the holiday break?

>> I did, I saw the Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

>> I saw that one too.

>> I saw Marley and Me and here's a quick little short story. I left the theater and I saw my family and then some guy said, oh you're from blah, blah, blah and my eyes were swollen and welted and I said I just saw the movie, I'm sorry, I was crying like a baby.

>> Man tears.

>> Oh it was so embarrassing.

>> That's funny.

>> You're man enough to cry, that's all that means.

>> I cried a lot at Marley and Me, it was pretty bad, it was pretty bad.

>> Let's get into some CES news. A and D?s neoprocessor is debuting here at CES and the HP Notebook, HP Pavilion DV2. It's an ultra portable, 12 inch LED backlit screen, 4 gigabytes of RAM, looks sweet.

>> It does. Now are we calling this a Net Book? Because I think we decided that 11 inches is our cut off. But this one's 12.

>> This one is above the limit, you're right.

>> So.

>> So this is a notebook, forget it.

>> It's a notebook, not a Net Book.

>> It's a small notebook.

>> But it's cheap. It starts at 699.

>> That's a cheap ass notebook.

>> Which is Net Book. You just said the A word.

>> You're getting dirty, dirty at CNET. Yeah, it was me. But the [inaudible], it looks, it looks very matrix like, Neo. I bet you that's what the name of this aspired from.

>> It does. I do like it. Yeah and the, the HP Net Book is the HP Mini Note and you can see the mouse configuration is different on the Mini Note. The clicks are on the side of the track pad. So I do think this is not a Net Book, but it does look very nice.

>> Even more upscale is the Aces S121 which features Swarovski crystals in the design hinge.

>> Yeah.

>> That's my kind of laptop.

>> A leather palm rest.

>> Here we go.

>> And 128 gigabyte solid state hard drive.

>> That's how we roll.

>> Yeah.

>> That's how we roll.

>> And it only weighs 2 point 6 pounds.

>> This is nice.

>> Now that's a net book, right?

>> This is, we'll call this a net book, yeah. I think you need to take this to some presentation you're doing, you pull it out of your bag, you're all, hang on, let me get my Power Point. Bling.

>> Now on top of all that bling, by the way, they haven't announced a price for it yet, so.

>> Gold teeth and all.

>> This is [inaudible] side to side.

>> Like that watch you've got.

>> Swarovski crystals and a Linux based quick launch environment for easy access to web and documents without booting up the full OS.

>> I do like those quick launches.

>> Something for everybody in the family.

>> Yeah. So that is nice. I would not say no to that and what is our price on this? I don't see it.

>> No price, they have not announced a price yet.

>> Depends on how many crystals they pack in that thing.

>> If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

>> Exactly. This is, what I was reading about in the Freakonomics blog called a giffin good where when demand increases, price increases, because you, I don't know if this is necessarily more.

>> It fights the normal.

>> This is like in the gadget world?

>> It's a luxury item. So if they price it a lot, it'll be like the LG products.

>> That's called a giffin good?

>> Uh huh.

>> Huh, interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> We learned something from you today.

>> You know what? Now, now Dan Ackerman here at CNET said 128 gigabytes, but N Gadget is saying it'll be available with 512 gigabytes as well.

>> Wow.

>> Now that might be worth paying for.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm going to, I'm going to take a second mortgage out if that comes out.

>> There you go. I'll get it for you here for your birthday.

>> You do that, yeah.

>> Aces is also coming out with an EPC with a swivel screen, the EPC T91 that has a GPS antenna in it, standard 9 inch display TV tuner and an FM transmitter.

>> Now is this a touch screen, the swivel?

>> It says it's a touch screen.

>> It is touch screen?

>> So you can turn into a little tablet thing.

>> HP Media.

>> Right.

>> Media, what?

>> That one.

>> Media something?

>> Also like the [inaudible] X60.

>> Right.

>> Like, I've never owned one of these, but what is really the appeal to a swivel screen? Like functionally?

>> If you want tablet.

>> Yeah.

>> But you don't want to have, be forced to use tablet all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> That's, the swivel screen is awesome for that because then you can turn it into a tablet when you want it like that.

>> Ok, ok.

>> Then it goes back to being a laptop when you're tired of it.

>> And one of the functions that you're using in the tablet when you're.

>> I mean?

>> Like what are you, watching media?

>> No, taking notes or doing drawings or.

>> Just touching it like a mouse.

>> Ok.

>> I have no uses for a tablet but I know you're out there, probably in the chat room right now.

>> There must be demand.

>> That's what I'm saying.

>> We don't know. Alright, let's talk about this MSI which I think we will call a net book. This is Mac Book Air S because it's super thin, 700 dollars and yeah, three quarters of an inch thick.

>> Wing like profile that tapers down to a knife like edge. Be careful, you might cut yourself.

>> How many more like analogies can we, you know use? Razor thin.

>> Well they can't use an envelope, they can't take it out of an envelope, that's already been done.

>> That's true.

>> So what else can you do with it?

>> Slips under the crack of your door.

>> There you go.

>> Let's just start.

>> That's what I said, 2 point 9 pounds, 13 inch wide screen and like less than half of what a Mac Book Air cost.

>> Yeah, right.

>> That's the biggest thing right there.

>> But I don't know what the, it doesn't say what the internal storage is and this is wired storage.

>> The bezel of the screen looks just like the current Mac Book line, they used the rounded edges with the black, you know.

>> You could put this in an envelope.

>> Yeah.

>> And probably you could open an envelope with it. With its knife like edge.

>> Open your mail with it.

>> Now.

>> It looks like a weapon.

>> Molly Wood not on the show today because she is out beating the show floor, going to press conferences and one of the things she sent back to us was LG showing off a GD910 watch phone.

>> Nice.

>> Welcome to the future.

>> Oh yeah. 7 point 2 megabits per second, HSDPA, blue tooth, speaker phone, video calling, voice recognition on your wrist.

>> Calling Dick Tracy, can you read me Tracy? I like it. I've wanted one of these for a long time. And you know we've seen these blue tooth pairing watches for a while this year. And so I thought it's just a matter of time before they actually bring the call, because before it was just caller ID and a vibration to let you know that you've got a call. But now you can actually take the call from here, which is very cool. Although it would be hard to hide when all your honeys are calling you and you don't one to know about the other.

>> Well you know, you know how, you know how it is over here.

>> No, I'm talking to you.

>> That's why she's looking at me and said when all those honeys are calling.

>> I mean, Tom has a lot of honeys too, but.

>> Yeah, but they're all named Eileen.

>> Seriously if I bought that, if I bought that watch and used it as a phone that's, that's a chick attracter. That is, come on, hey check out my new watch. Oh, that's like geeky not cool.

>> And it's only your mom that's calling you.

>> It's like a spy, you know.

>> You get, you get the ladies who love the geek's thing. And you, go look in the chat room right now.

>> Have you seen how many ladies are out there that love the geeks?

>> Hello?

>> Oh really?

>> There's one, there's Veronica.

>> What am I? Chopped liver?

>> I never said you were chopped liver.

>> Yeah, Veronica, Callie.

>> So if I had watch, you know I mean would that enhance my chances?

>> I'm thinking.

>> It might.

>> Really?

>> You might want to check this out.

>> Ok.

>> We don't have any pricing information yet.

>> Get that watch and ask me out again and we'll see what happens.

>> I'm going to go to LGs booth immediately right after this.

>> This is one we're definitely going to get our hands on and shoot a video of, so look for it at CES.CNET.com and you make the call ladies. Let's see, also is announcing, you ran into this thing, right?

>> Yes at Mac World.

>> The too big Quadra Raid Drive.

>> Yeah, at Mac World I was walking by LC?s booth and there was this huge like silver square with a big sea of blue light that you're used to seeing and I was like what the heck is that? And it was a hard drive enclosure for this thing.

>> It's a couple of twin bays that you can put two hard drives in and get up to three terabytes of storage.

>> Crazy.

>> And support for four Raid modes, including the traditional Raid 0, Raid 1. Transfer speeds up to 165 megabytes per second and uses ESaida as well as USB 2 point 0, fire wire 400 and fire wire 800. So it, it'll work with whatever machine you want.

>> Starting at 299.

>> Yeah, starts at 299 for the one terabyte I think.

>> Right. This would have been, this was the answer, someone called in to Holiday Help Desk wanting just this thing, remember and we were like we don't know.

>> [inaudible]

>> This is exactly, if it was, it's just a month late. So whoever it was that called us, here it is, we found it for you.

>> It's finally here.

>> Czech Republic passing along according to Jack Wallin that people are putting the Google Android operating system onto PCs.

>> Why do you want that?

>> On to net books.

>> To say that you're cool.

>> Ok, why you want that is just to be geeky, to say look I can do it.

>> Right.

>> I thought you liked that type of stuff Natali.

>> I do.

>> I knew that was coming.

>> I do like geeky and you know do it because you can kind of thing, but I'm just not.

>> You can't run Linux programs on it though because of the way they do the graphics install, it uses X Windows, so you have to only use Android programs right now. But what could be more interesting than just the doing of it is this point to the fact that it is able to do this, will Google tweak Android in the future to be like a net book platform?

>> To be an operating system.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, the larger picture by Tom Marek.

>> Will Google do that? I got to think on that. I don't know.

>> I think they might or they might allow it to happen.

>> Right.

>> I mean that's the cool thing about an open source program, right?

>> Right, haven't we been saying that Google does want to be an operating system for a long time?

>> Yeah, for a couple of years.

>> I mean, Google wants to be everything. They want to be everything and anything.

>> They just want to organize the world's information, all of it.

>> And own it and own us and own you.

>> But it's not a big fishing scheme.

>> No.

>> Because fishing schemes don't pay.

>> It's not profitable. And remember we talked about this a couple months ago and I said I wanted the freakanomics guys to analyze whether or not it's profitable to be a fisher. And apparently it is not. You make minimum wage as a fisher because the ROI is poor. So if you're a fisher, stop it, get a better job.

>> This according to Microsoft research. The cost of going out there and starting all of those fishing schemes doesn't cover most of the money that you get back. And Microsoft research also says that the Gartner numbers quoted around 3 point 2 billion dollars a year are rubbish, off by a factor of 50 according to this slash dot posting.

>> Yeah.

>> So crime does not pay is the lesson of the day. It doesn't.

>> If you take anything out of this Buzz Out Loud.

>> The moral lessons from Natali Del Conte. Thanks.

>> Can we get some nice, nice snappy music for that and I'll say it again?

>> See if I can find something.

>> Crime does not pay.

>> Now another thing that we'll also be showing off at CES I imagine but we saw it at Mac World is the new sling player for the iPhone.

>> And you got to do a little first look, so why don't you tell us a little about it?

>> I got to do a little first look. It's, it's sling player, right, so it's sling box, you get to watch your home TV on your iPhone just like you do on the blackberry and the palm and Windows mobile right now and a few other operating systems. Just keep in mind it works really well by the way. Yeah, the video looks a lot better than I ever thought.

>> The integration of the touch screen allows you to just kind of swipe to change channels. You can go through your favorites or go up and down and change channels up and down. But all of their other mobile versions are around 30 bucks.

>> Yeah.

>> So they're not announcing what their price will be. And the other big thing to remember is they have just made the app. They have planned to submit it to Apple by the end of the first quarter, so by the end of March. And they don't know what Apple's going to say about it.

>> And we talked to them about that, you know how closely have you been working with them. And a lot of these other media applications that are out that allow you to stream, they, they let you stream large amounts of video over Wi Fi but not 3G. And their application showed it over 3G.

>> Right, I was going to ask that.

>> Their say in that. But my thought is.

>> Like Juiced.

>> Yeah, yeah, exactly.

>> So I don't know, they, I don't know if they're going to get 3G access.

>> It worked a lot better on Wi Fi than it worked on 3G.

>> It did.

>> 3G was a little stutter, Wi Fi was smooth.

>> Yeah. And 3G looked better than like, look a lot better than I expected it would.

>> Did it?

>> It was definitely watchable and it wasn't super pixilated, it was more the frame rate.

>> Yeah, it was just drop frames more than anything.

>> The image quality was actually very good on 3G so.

>> Yeah. That is exciting. That is compelling.

>> Finally a South African airline, Airtime Airlines, is partnering with the cell phone industry to allow you to purchase your airline tickets by the minute. So it works like a prepaid phone.

>> Right.

>> You go and you buy like 500 minutes of airtime and then if you go on a 6 hour flight, they'll take 360 minutes out of your account.

>> This is so bizarre.

>> Then you'll have 140 minutes left to spend before you have to recharge.

>> It is a little weird.

>> So what, you fly and then you're out of minutes and you can't use your phone?

>> You can't use your plane. They kick you off the plane mid flight.

>> No, this is not broadband or anything. This is actual time your butt is in the seat.

>> Well also the, the amount.

>> Do you get charged for taxiing time?

>> No you don't. They actually made that clear, like.

>> Ok.

>> The amount of time of the flight is estimated beforehand and if you're delayed or you sit on the tarmac, that doesn't count against you.

>> But it's airtime, in the air?

>> Yeah, it's like this flight.

>> Estimated.

>> Takes about four hours, so you're going to charge you four hours of airtime. And the minutes that you buy change in price depending on when you buy them.

>> Ok.

>> So you try, you know the idea is going to be like you try to buy low and fly high.

>> This is, this is too, these people need to stop talking to each other.

>> Yeah, it, well it's kind of like, you know in New York you get a subway card, you put 40 dollars on it and then every time you ride, it goes down. So it's not a new public transportation model, it's just not the way we conceive of flying. And you know flying is varying all the time. I could pay 100 dollars more for my flight than the person sitting next to me.

>> Yep.

>> So maybe standardizing prices is a good idea, but I don't know.

>> Don't connect it to your minutes, it's just wacky to me.

>> It's crazy.

>> It's wacky.

>> No one likes managing minutes in general when you think of cell phones and that kind of thing, like people don't like to manage that kind of usage. But we'll see.

>> Alright, we're not, we're not playing voice mails during the CES shows because it's just technically too challenging but we will get back to the voice mails come next week, Tuesday of next week will be our first post CES show. So hold your voice mails until then. But we are taking the emails and Daniel in Hell wrote in and said hey Jomoto, I was wondering if your UK listeners, I'd just like to clarify the liveness of the BBC iPlayer. It actually broadcasts TV shows on the Internet an hour after they are finished broadcasting on TV. Just thought you should know. So I guess that takes away my prediction. But said the UK listeners have granted me a, that my prediction was right from 2007 that in 2008 someone would stream shows at the same time that they were broadcasting them.

>> Oh, ok.

>> But it's an hour later.

>> But it doesn't do that.

>> Yeah.

>> Didn't someone on Monday say that it did?

>> Yeah that was, that's what Daniel, Daniel's responding to that person.

>> Ok.

>> Correct. You want to take the next one?

>> Yes, I will. Hey Jomoto, web developer Matthew Horashoski [assumed spelling] here, I just wanted to point out this article and we'll link it, which talks about a new game that uses your brain waves to control a small ball and move it through hoops and things. Guess that one prediction for this, guess that one prediction for this year down.

>> Hey, I get one back.

>> Alright. Awesome, so yeah.

>> Don't expect to surpass me though.

>> Mind Control [inaudible].

>> Because I expect good things for my predictions this year.

>> Yeah, so this is the Mind Flex, comes with a brain scanning head set, which measures brain waves and turns them into energy. The aim of the game is to concentrate hard enough to generate enough energy to power a fan which turn causes the ball to levitate. So you get the effect of levitating it with your mind.

>> This type of stuff just cracks me up.

>> It's awesome.

>> So this will be here at CES. So we're going to try to track this down and take a look at that too.

>> I want to control not a real Avatar, but someone else's person, like you with my brain.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> You know you could try that.

>> I'm going to try it out.

>> You've tried before, but clearly you haven't been able to do that yet, so.

>> I've got you right where I want you.

>> Oh.

>> You just wait.

>> And that's where I want me. [ Laughter ]

>> Go ahead and take the next one.

>> Ok. You guys might know more about this because I wasn't here on Monday, but on the dial tone issue from Monday's show, when someone moves out of a house or an apartment, the phone company should leave dial tone on the line. But with no account information. This gives access to 911 and 611 to be able to call the company to fully activate the line. When I worked for Bell South, that service was called a quick serve. However a quick service can be disabled if the line is needed at another residence or business and no other cable pairs are immediately available. Hence the reason that Tom's line didn't have a dial tone. FWIW.

>> For what it's worth.

>> For what it's worth. I was thinking.

>> I know, I was too.

>> No dial tone and no 911, Mister Barry Stubs.

>> Alright Barry, so, so you're backing me up here. I did not have 911 service and my line was dead, d e d, dead. And finally Ellie wrote in and said stop it, stop with the announcing of the title in the actual show, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop.

>> Stop, stop, stop.

>> I believe that will be the title of the show.

>> Is that because of hormonal b from Monday?

>> Forward, maybe we don't do that. I don't know.

>> I think what Ellie may be saying is I hate it when you make a quirky comment and then go there's our title.

>> Right.

>> I don't know.

>> Which we just did.

>> Sorry, we have those, those thoughts.

>> I was going to say, we haven't, never mind Tom.

>> That's our title.

>> There we go.

>> Sorry Ellie, sorry.

>> Ok, we will be at CES all week long. You can follow everything we do at CES.CNET.com. We'll be doing CNET Live on Thursday and Friday at 1 o'clock pm Pacific time, 4 pm eastern. We'll be doing Buzz Out Loud every day at noon eastern, 9 am Pacific.

>> Even on Saturday.

>> Even on Saturday, I know.

>> Saturday edition of BOL.

>> Woo hoo.

>> Exciting, and so you can watch us live at CNETTV.com. Thanks for listening everybody. See ya.

>> Have a great show everyone. ^M00:28:00 [ Music ]