Buzz Out Loud 716: Hope for old people (like Tom) Video

Buzz Out Loud 716: Hope for old people (like Tom) Video Transcript

>> ^m00:00:06 It's Friday May 2, 2008.

>> I'm Molly Wood.

>> I'm Tom Merrit.

>> I'm Jason Howell.

>> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length. It's episode 716 and it's our first video version.

>> Official. We did this before but this is for real.

>> This is for real and we're not gonna goof around and throw coffee on each other like we did in the test versions. That much. Tom

>> Yeah, blooper real.

>> It's not coffee anyway it's water, a meal prepared.

>> Oh yeah.

>> But it's hot water.

>> There were burns before in the last one? Anyway welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length, episode 716 video version.

>> And yesterday we tricked Molly into talking about Microsoft Yahoo. Let's see if we can do it again. Right off the top.

>> See here's what happened. It sounds like there's a distinct possibility, meaning that nothing will happen, but something could happen either today or this weekend and I don't want to not have talked about it. So according to the Wallstreet Journal, as of late Thursday, Microsoft was leaning toward going hostile in it's pursuit of Yahoo.

>> Now earlier this week they were talking about putting a proxy board up, but they're not really pushing for it and they just walk away or maybe they'd secretly raise the offer and who knows what they're doing at this point? I bet they don't even know what they're doing.

>> They obviously have no idea.

>> They're just saying things and seeing what people say about it afterwards. The situation is very fluid, according to the Wallstreet Journal.

>> And then in an interview earlier Thursday, Steve Balmer declined to indicate to Microsoft's decision and wouldn't say when the company would make a decision public. He said "with the right circumstance it will happen, without the right circumstance it won't happen".

>> Woe, that's ground breaking.

>> With sort of halfway circumstances it might halfway happen.

>> It's possible that things will happen, it's also possible that they might not.

>> I don't think you can get much clearer than that.

>> He also apparently told Microsoft employees that it wouldn't pay a dime above what he thought Yahoo was worth.

>> But what does he think Yahoo is worth?

>> See, this is why I don't like to talk about it. They're so full of dooky. But anyway.

>> So General Francisco Franco is still dead, is essentially where this story is.

>> Pretty much, yeah. But if it happens this weekend, then at least we were prepared.

>> Yeah, don't be surprised.

>> Here's another recurring story that won't die; Xbox 360 Blu-Ray console. Microsoft continues to deny, deny, and deny that this is actually going to happen but the Chinese language economic daily news is reporting that Pegatron, an OEM subsidiary of ASUS has won the order from Microsoft to assemble the Xbox 360 with a Blu-Ray disc ROM drive; sounds like it will be built in.

>> Oh, okay.

>> This according to NGadget.

>> Can we go back to Pegatron?

>> Pegatron.

>> How did we not know about this company before?

>> Because it's a transformer.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> And landed on a Pegasus planet.

>> Than transforms itself into a Blu-Ray drive for the Xbox 360. So they would do new, see now that kind of bums me out if they did new Xbox's with Blu-Ray built in.

>> Instead of a add-on, right.

>> Lame, I want it to be an add-on if I'm gonna do it.

>> Because I already have an Xbox 360 and so do you.

>> Yes. Oh now I'm peeved.

>> Well it's just a rumor. Microsoft denies that anything's gonna to happen.

>> That's true.

>> They're making it even better by saying, oh no we're not even gonna give you a Blu-Ray.

>> It's gonna be a Yahoo branded box with a Blu-Ray. That's right, it'll stream Yahoo's search results.

>> Alright this next story is crazy. As some new scientists are reporting that a group of researchers at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champagne.

>> Irvana.

>> I talk snooty every day.

>> You're just like the people at Urbana.

>> Me talk snooty one day.

>> They're much snootier than people in Champagan.

>> Apparently these Champagan or Vana people have managed to develop their own malicious circuits which are basically like mechanical Trojans, like they interfere with the computer at a deeper level than a virus and completely bypass traditional antivirus software.

>> According to the NGadget story they admit that sneaking such malicious circuits onto a chip isn't exactly easy.

>> That would be hard.

>> Given that someone would have to have access to the chip during the manufacturing process.

>> Have someone on the inside.

>> But it's also strangely not impossible.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> It's not totally unthinkable.

>> It's not totally unthinkable, I mean I guess if you could potentially tamper with something at the OEM level and interfere with a whole bunch of chips.

>> We've seen that happen with software. People like have viruses in the software that they're distributing with the product. That has happened before, so access can happen somehow that way.

>> Yeah.

>> Although it's still easier to get it in the software because then you just have to infect a machine that making the software at some point.

>> But then software is easier to defeat.

>> Yeah.

>> So, and they said using their malicious circuit, once they've hooked up, so they've created a replica of the open source LEON 3 processor, added about 1,000 malicious circuits. Once they hooked that up to another computer they were apparently not only able to swipe passwords from memory, but also install mal-ware that would allow. I saw that! That would allow the operating system to be remotely controlled as well.

>> Mal-ware!

>> We used to open for them when I was in the band road kill.

>> Are you happy now?

>> Newly-ware. [ laughing ] Yeah you had some good ideas about ways people could sell products that have this in it, perhaps. So we have like, special things that you get at the electronics store that it's like, oh it's a bargain sound card. That could be a way.

>> Well and people are apparently, Ina Fried just had a story, now I feel like I should say Ina because my vowels are all messed up. Had a story on News dot com yesterday about getting a refurbished iPod in the mail that had a virus on it. So I could definitely see this becoming part of the refurbishment. You could really tamper with the refurbishment cycle maybe?

>> eBay goes down!

>> It's a dangerous business, these malicious circuits.

>> Well, I'm gonna risk it and buy some hardware because popcorn hour just announced that their A100 HD media streamer is now publicly available for pre-order and I got one.

>> Crazy!

>> I pre-ordered one.

>> So we need to do a little video of your home theatre shelf. How many boxes are sitting in there?

>> I have the opposite problem of Molly who says she's always gonna buy things and never does.

>> Buy things and then realize it's a bad idea.

>> I then I make fun of him later.

>> Sometimes, yeah, but not all the time, no. A hundred and seventy-nine bucks, this thing is supposedly quite amazing. It is a media streamer box, pretty cheap, that will pretty much stream anything. I'm trying to get to the popcorn hour site itself because the thing will actually.

>> So apparently, there's an old NGadget HD older from February when they first looked at it, they said that it performs about as advertised and it has bit torrent integration out of the box. Video playback, they say, is impeccable; fetching content from nearly anywhere on the web.

>> It doesn't come with a drive but you can put a Beta drive in it or you can put a USB drive onto it and then it will do the bit torrent on itself, like a network attached storage. You don't have to do it on the computer and then transfer it over.

>> So this is for streaming content from the web, any form.

>> From the web or from a computer?

>> Right, or your home network.

>> Uses Bonjour, UPNP, DLNA, Windows Media connect, SMB, NFS, HGTP, you name it, it can do it. It can get You Tube, it can get Meta Cafe, it does live 365 RSS, you can podcast through it, does internet radio.

>> Could you buy iTunes content and then stream that? I mean, of course right? Because you just buy it through the computer and, does it have a web interface for the TV?

>> Well I don't know if it has a web interface, I don't know what the interface is like, I'd have to look up some more of the reviews but it definitely can get like, VIO and You Tube and those kinds of videos. I wonder if it can get an ABC dot com or something like that. But it can definitely stream MPEG, VOV, Avion, Matroska, MOV, Xbit, I mean you name it, it can stream. You know it's like you got the Xbox 360 that can now stream more things but not all things, you have the Apple TV that only streams from iTunes. This is like, open stream it all.

>> Yeah the idea of streaming any format is pretty great sounding. It looks like it also does photos. The earlier NGadget review said it was ho-hum at music playback.

>> Yeah, I saw that too. The interface wasn't so good for the music.

>> Also it sounds like this is the kind of thing that you get when you already have your cable or satellite set top box. Like you get this in a pre-says me world, which we still live in, but it says-me came out, it sounds like that would be the device that became a cable set top, cable satellite set top box plus all this hopefully?

>> Yeah, well this is just free. You don't pay a subscription fee; you're not getting any special programs exactly.

>> Right.

>> And you gotta buy the drive to accompany it too.

>> Let us know how it goes. Are you gonna do a whole little out of the box video?

>> Oh yeah, I should totally do that, that's a good idea.

>> Because this is crazy anticipation for this thing.

>> Yeah, people are really excited. I was recommending it at the holiday help desk.

>> Yeah.

>> Except the fact that you couldn't get one. It was like, the popcorn hour can probably do what you want but can't buy it right now.

>> Yeah, it's been in the works for a long time then.

>> Yeah, well it was on a private list, like you could sign up and then they would contact you when one was available to purchase but now the big news today is that they've opened it for pre-order to anyone.

>> Popcorn.

>> Popcorn hour.

>> Delicious.

>> You go, no you.

>> Sirius and XM satellite radio have gotten a request from 2 top Democrats in the House Committee on Energy and Commerce to operate an open service if they get approval for a merger from the FCC. So in essence, right now XM or Sirius, they're 2 separate companies, make deals with manufacturers over who can make the hardware that accesses the radio service. What Democrat Edward Marque and John Dingle would like is for them, don't laugh.

>> I just got the Dingle, Hymer, Smith song. [ laughter ]

>> That's Jingle Hymer.

>> Close enough.

>> It's Dingle Hymer now!

>> Anyway, what these 2 fine respected representatives of our government want is that anyone would be able to make a device to access the network so you wouldn't have to get approval from XM Sirius as a merged entity and that you could put it in iPods, or you could put it in FM radio, combos, and right now XM and Sirius tightly control what can go into the devices that access their service.

>> Would that not be a good thing, though, for XM and Sirius to open it up to other hardware names?

>> You could make the argument that they don't need law to do it, but the fact is they haven't done it so whether it's a good idea or not it's what they've chosen not to do. So then the question becomes should you make them do it?

>> Right.

>> Yeah, and they've been pretty, there have been controversies about specific devices that are made for XM Sirius playback, anyway I think there are some features that they want to control? Like they don't want you to be able to do any recording or transferring or, because there was that whole thing about the pioneer.

>> And they went after XM but wouldn't this defend them from that?

>> Maybe.

>> In other words they could say, hey we don't have an agreement, these people just made it.

>> Well that's true. Actually it could remove some liability although the music industry doesn't particularly care who's responsible, they just want to shut it down and they'll go after anybody to make it happen. Yeah, it's an interesting proposal. My feeling is by the time somebody starts making these really cool open devices like XM, Sirius, whatever it becomes.

>> Well that's the question, is anybody gonna care? Is that on the decline? I know you think so, what do you think Jason? Is XM Sirius gonna happen, I mean it's happening.

>> Well it certainly does seem like it's really kind of caught that traction that I think they expected when they started. I'm not moved to join it, there's not really any content there that I really feel that compelled to pay a subscription fee for.

>> It's really interesting because I rant about the radio daily because I often have to entertain the baby in the car. Radios one of the things I use to use it, and so I have really been acutely aware of how many commercials there are on the radio and how obnoxious. Like one day I think there were literally 7 straight minutes of commercials. I was like, is this a joke and then I came home I said to my husband, we totally need to get satellite. But then I say, I'm not gonna do that, I'm not gonna pay 10 bucks a month for the radio; I'll just put in a CD.

>> That's the thing, I had XM radio for a while mostly to get baseball games and it just wasn't worth it to me to keep paying for it. Also because it wasn't in dash and I had to carry it around and the reception just wasn't perfect. I just ended up getting rid of it, I don't miss it because when I don't listen to the radio I'm listening to my iPhone.

>> Right, yeah, totally.

>> And I got my own tunes or my podcasts on the radio, I'm programming the radio my way so satellite radio may be, it may have to transform itself.

>> It's gonna have to do something else.

>> Can't get rid of advertisements completely either.

>> Sirius has advertisements; XM only has advertisements on a few channels.

>> And no one knows what Sirius.

>> Yeah, will end up doing. Thanks to A. L. French for posting to delicious this next story from the Wired Campus; a new study debunks the myth that most tech entrepreneurs are college kids. Research sponsored by the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation studied U. S. Engineering and technology companies founded between 95 and 2005 and found that the median average age at which U. S. born entrepreneurs founded their technology and engineering companies was 39.

>> Boom!

>> I have 7 years. Aha!

>> You just called me old. You said it was for old people.

>> I meant me too! No, this is good for anybody who's not still in college and is sitting there thinking that, well now because of this Facebook guy obviously I just.

>> I didn't retire rich by 20, there's hope for us all.

>> One person though, just so you know, there were twice as many entrepreneurs older than 50 than those who were younger than 25 and one percent of U. S. born founders of tech companies were teenagers.

>> One percent?

>> Yeah, I thought it was really interesting.

>> Pretty cool, thanks for that story.

>> Also the top ten schools. It is really an interesting story. The top ten schools awarding these entrepreneurs most advanced degrees were Harvard, MIT, Penn State University, Stanford University, University of California Berkeley, Missouri, and so on and so forth.

>> Alright. The controversial pro IP act, which is a proposal that aims to impose stronger penalties for copyright infringement, sailed through the judiciary committee. That doesn't mean that it's going to pass the House or the Senate, but it is one less step it has to take to become a law in the United States.

>> That now would be a good time for you to start writing letters.

>> Yeah, the bill would create a new position for a federal copyright enforcement Czar, establishing a copyright enforcement division. It basically gives the music and radio and video and Hollywood industry an office working for them in government; is essentially how I would summarize it.

>> It also expands penalties for infringement. It does a lot of pretty disturbing things that you need to look at.

>> So go study up on that.

>> Yeah, study up on that.

>> Write your local congressman, if you favor it or not.

>> Yeah, either way make your voice heard because this is an important issue; like intellectual property is the defining issue of legislation for at least the next few years.

>> Especially for internet related and technology related items.

>> They will have broad consequences.

>> Because, I don't know, if legislation got out of hand and you just happen to have accidentally gone over some infringement line, they might come after your hard drive in which case you'll need our next story; the hard drive disk crusher.

>> The crusher!

>> Its the only way to stop them from finding out you had that Britney Spears MP3 illegally on your hard drive, is to crush it!

>> Crush it! Oh look at that.

>> Sounds fun.

>> It apparently is a no nonsense machine from EDR Solutions, that's exactly what it's name says; destroys a hard disk in as little as 10 seconds. It basically drills through the hard drive spindles which physically creates ripples in the platters making it impossible to recover any data.

>> Wow. You really want that hard drive to be destroyed.

>> I am waiting for the email from someone who says how you can recover data from this because frankly, I don't see a way but I wouldn't be surprised.

>> I'm sure there is one. The biggest problem though with the crusher, it costs 11,500 dollars.

>> That's not a problem.

>> It's not actually that much compared to what the RA double A will demand from you for infringing even one song.

>> Well this would be a great thing for Kinkos to have, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Like they buy this 11,000 dollar machine, put it there, and then charge you like 5 bucks to crush your hard drive.

>> Yeah.

>> Or 20 bucks, whatever they need to do. Service related thing.

>> A new study from the UK finds that keyboards are dirtier than the potty.

>> And obviously have little onion sprouts growing out of the keys. Oh that's a good idea, put those on my salad.

>> Delicious. Passing along this story which essentially says your keyboard's really dirty and if you think toilets are dirty, look at your keyboard, which is kind of disgusting to think about but hey it's true.

>> At least one keyboard apparently was removed from the organization where they went swabbing the keyboards on a scientist's advice, as it harbored 4 times the amount of harmful bacteria compared to a toilet seat.

>> Now this is probably going on under the keys, would be my guess right?

>> Yeah, I guess so.

>> Like you get all that dust and food and stuff stuck in there because if you've ever opened up a keyboard to clean it, it really is dusty, disgusting, with cracker crumbs and everything no matter who you are; some worse than others obviously. And that's where fungus grows and bacteria can live.

>> And you can easily clean off the top of the keys but getting into the sides.

>> Can of compressed air.

>> That's all I gotta say.

>> That's just gonna move the bacteria.

>> No, no, no, to pop the keys off, can of compressed air, get it out. We did a video on how to clean a keyboard actually.

>> Yeah?

>> At CNET TV dot com. Go check it out.

>> Go check it out! There you go.

>> Alright I got this next link off of user friendly dot org's link of the day. They've been rocking lately, I've done a few things off of them and it's a site called retro-sabotage dot com where I guess since January they've taken old video games and made new versions of them. So for example, they've made a version of Pong that's really just kind of an argument between two people instead of the ball going back and forth. You'll see text going back and forth between people.

>> It never actually lets you play.

>> Which one are you trying to play Jason?

>> I'm playing the Pong one right now.

>> Which one? There's 4 Pong ones.

>> Oh, this is Pong 2 dot 0.

>> Oh, Pong 2 dot 0, I did not try to play.

>> Dot 0 just seems to give you advice via a series of pop ups.

>> Back and forth is the one that has the words going back and forth and then if you try out space invaders, especially space invaders invasion, you get a nasty little surprise.

>> Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

>> So go check it out, retro-sabotage dot com.

>> You will, you will enjoy it.

>> Alright let's get to the voicemails. We got several actually, Chris the podcaster was one of the folks who was out at our meet up yesterday. It's good to see him again. But he has a totally unrelated voicemail for us today about the Buzz Town mayoral race.

>> This is Chris the podcaster calling in about the whole election here of the Buzz Town mayor. Larry, who has been gone for a long time, is back and running for mayor; really feels like a cloak and dagger to me. I haven't been satisfied with any of the candidates and so I'm calling not to throw my head in the rain, I think the mayor of Buzz Town shouldn't just be somebody who talks about doing good for Buzz Town, it should be somebody who has done good for Buzz Town and so I am calling to start a campaign to draft our own Phil Grant, PB 30, who created the Watch DOL dot com for the Buzz Town president. Please join this campaign.

>> Yeah, totally.

>> Alright, now we said we weren't going, we weren't going to allow announcements anymore but that's not an announcement by PB 30.

>> Yes, it's a draft movement. And also need we remind you that we make the rules.

>> We are a monarchy and we rule by divine right.

>> Our next caller reports on the long, long ago Microsoft spy program that offers free software with an update.

>> Hey Buzz crew this is Adam calling from Salt City, Utah. I participated in that Windows feedback program that you all reported on a few months ago and the fruits of my labor paid off thanks to Microsoft spying on my every move, I now am the proud new owner of a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate. But not for long, I really don't want Windows Vista Ultimate so I'm just gonna turn around and put it on Craig's list. I'm sure that violates some sort of, but what are they gonna do? Anyway, love the show.

>> I'm sorry, you let them spy on you but then you don't want to have the thing?

>> Why did you do it then?

>> For the money, obviously.

>> What money?

>> People aren't clamoring to purchase Windows Vista.

>> You'd get a hundred bucks for it, we should look at Wigex and see what it's selling for.

>> Oh yeah. I gotta say Wigex looks pretty cool

>> Let's go to our next caller who noticed that yesterday in the audio version of Buzz Out Loud we finally got a sponsor back again and maybe this is a representative reaction to that.

>> Perhaps.

>> Hey, am I the only one that noticed that you guys are doing advertising now? I mean come on you guys, is it gonna be that when you are decided to pick which story that you're gonna sway away from the Best Buy story now that they're paying you guys? I don't know, you guys have such a good podcast, I've not been looking forward to this happening. So good while it lasted, bye.

>> Alright.

>> Are you quitting?

>> I wrote back to several emailers who expressed similar sentiments noting that we have a sponsor for several years.

>> Yeah, years.

>> In the podcast and if there is no sponsor at Buzz Out Loud, there is no Buzz Out Loud. CNET won't let us do it unless we get paid.

>> If you like us, you want us to get paid. So sorry, but what did you think was gonna happen?

>> And we've covered stories about the previous sponsor without any qualms and we will cover stories about any current or future sponsor without any qualms. We do our show the way we do our show. We try to ignore the fact that anybody is sponsoring us.

>> Yeah, but frankly I'm happy that we have a sponsor because I don't want to get fired.

>> Well, I want to keep doing the podcasts. Do you want to keep listening to the podcasts?

>> If you don't want to keep listening because of the 15 second ad, then like later hater. Come on.

>> Some people though, that was representative of some people. Other people had a reaction more like this next one.

>> Hey guys, this is Rick from Dallas and I just wanted to call to welcome back Earth Link guy. Glad to see he found a new job as Best Buy guy. Love the show.

>> Awesome.

>> Nice, see that's how you separate the newbies from the oldies. Not that there's anything wrong with new listeners; we want em, God love ya, but you need to know we have ads and ads have a history.

>> Yes, and they're actually a character of their own.

>> And Earth Link's last Best Buy guy is operating the gib right now, so we have to say really nice things about him.

>> Yeah, we gotta be pretty nice to him. [ laughter ] We love you Earth Link Best Buy guy. Come back.

>> Alright, emails to Buzz at CNET dot com. Got one from Dylan in Missouri, said in my English class we have to write a research report on World War II. Part of my report was in a Word file at the computers at school. Normally if I wanted to take this file home, I'd use a USB flash drive but I left mine at home. Also my school blocks all web based email so I thought, hey I'll upload the file to my server via totally safe online FTP client. When I went into the library, sat down at the computer, the librarian, who has a reputation for not being very nice, asked me what I was doing as if it were any of her business. I told her I was sending myself a file and she completely flipped out. She started yelling at me as if I didn't know what I was doing and she even told me this "if you do that you can be expelled". This made me very mad and made me realize something; the sad school staff know nothing about computers. I'm acquiring my school's IT Director's email address as I type this.

>> Acquiring how? File, upload, what? File on the internet?

>> Unfortunately it's very emblematic, isn't it?

>> Ridiculous.

>> People thinking the internet is bad.

>> Yeah, and if you're putting a file on there it must be for nefarious purposes, it can't possibly be because the school makes it super freaking annoying to try to do work at school and also at home.

>> PTP, oh that's a good idea.

>> If that's not blocked. P to P, good torrent, file sharing, none of them bad on their own.

>> Right.

>> If you want to move your school term paper home via the internet, you should be allowed to do so.

>> Well luckily once the younger generation like Dylan grows up and takes over, all this will be fine. Then they'll be like, the way you want to do that is. Patrick wrote in and said, I no sooner get an email referenced on Wednesday's BOL, yeah me, when Tom lays into the company that has employed me for 18 plus years. Oscar Mayer crap? Our hotdog products contain nothing but quality meat; mostly turkey for wieners and all beef for beef franks. If I was in marketing I would be greatly offended. Sure other brands, Nathan's and Sabret, to name a few make a good beef dog but I'd stack ours up against any of them in a blind taste test. The crap category would include Bar S never more than 99 cents in all store brands. Then he also said that we are all getting wiener whistles and whatever trinkets he can scrounge. I probably don't have enough clout for a wiener mobile ride, so don't ask.

>> He still loves the show, hotdog purposes aside. I just won't say anything else about.

>> Comes to show there's not much we can talk about safely.

>> Yeah, there's somebody that works everywhere in the world.

>> I think what I can safely say is that the other examples you make, I don't think are any different than Oscar Mayer.

>> They're in the same category.

>> No, they're all in pretty much the same category to me.

>> I love that he wrote this about quality meat, outstanding.

>> You should never feed that to your baby!

>> He gets hippy organic, or nitrate free hippy hotdogs.

>> Hippy hotdogs? Like tofu pups?

>> No, they're meat ones but they're organic and nitrate free, they sell them at, you know, whatever.

>> Eric from Colorado Springs wrote, hey my favorite monarchical triumpherant. Okay, so there was the big stink about getting passwords and such off a PC by stealing it off of the RAM before it dissipated within such a short period using a USB drive. Now with Memristers just rip the whole PC out of the wall and run. You can turn it on later and boot right where you left off; all accounts still logged in, etc. There should at least be an option to boot down and wipe the memory so it will clean boot just in case and would likely be a company requirement in a lot of places. I think that would cause security issues out the wazoo.

>> Oh yeah, I almost brought that up yesterday because it was so reminiscent of RAM discussion, but with any new technology will come new security measures.

>> Sure.

>> Like I'm sure long before this is rolled out for any kind of public.

>> Yeah, there's gonna have to be. It's a fair question but don't assume that the way we describe the working is the only way it will work.

>> Right. Or that they'll just like, start popping them in.

>> Yeah, right, right, right.

>> David wrote in, who's living in the fourth ward of Buzz Town down by the bacon plant.

>> Oh I see.

>> Says I guess I'm a little confused about this whole BOL mayor thing. We have a diplomat who likes to restate things in a more polite fashion and interjects new topics into the conversation, Tom. We have a share, Molly who talks tough, calls it like she sees it, and is rumored to carry a shotgun and then we have Jason who acts more like a city administrator pushing buttons, playing recordings, and publishing the podcasts all without much credit. We even have a cranky old guy next door who loves cats and hates Europeans.

>> Great.

>> As well as a house full of kids across the street who talk funny, play loud music all the time, and hold parties on the lawn. But the mayor thing confuses me, who chooses? Who votes? How? Is this like Chicago? Can I vote more than once? P. S. who do I talk to about getting a key to the city?

>> Talk to the mayor once the mayor of Buzz Town is properly selected.

>> Properly, I just almost said, PB 30 he has the key right now.

>> Right.

>> He's like the keeper of the key.

>> Yeah right, pretty much. Or the Buzz Town Center dot org, frock, any other folks over there.

>> Yeah, check out the Buzz Town Center dot org. It's pretty awesome.

>> Jacob from Brooklyn sent us a link to some flicker photos of the meet up. These are flicker photos of screen caps actually, of the folks that were in the Yahoo live broadcast that Andrew Major was kind enough to go along. So have to take a look at them, you get to see us peering down sort of wierdly into the ominous light in the crowd. You'd see people like Frank and Amanda and Kevin hanging out in the chat room with their own webcams on so it's pretty fun.

>> So next time we do a meet up accompanied by a virtual meet up, we'll be a lot better about publishing a link to the virtual meet up and or letting you know where it was happening. I guess people were trying to get to the unusual channels like Watch BOL and couldn't. We're getting there.

>> Oh things didn't work right? Oh Beta.

>> Oh totally Beta.

>> It was totally Beta.

>> Yeah.

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